Hillary and Obama Debate In Ohio, 9pm MSNBC
Will there be some type of campaign changing moment here for Hillary? If not, the end may be nigh. Discuss.
Tuesday, February 26, 2008
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15 comments:
I stopped watching any of the debates about two hundred debates ago. They spend most of the time pandering to the particular audience (i.e. transgender war veterans, laid off '60s hippies, etc.) and for the most part the follow up questions by the moderator(s) were lame.
I already know who I am NOT going to vote for anyway.
As I said before I have voted in every national, state, and local election (or runoff) since Nixon v McGovern, but the remaining group today are the worse and I may not vote. Apparently nobody of value wants to run for President (my opinion) any more.
Well I may have watched all the debates, Democratic and Republican and I can agree with you on many points. Especially the moderating... it's been awful.
But I'm into this stuff... I love political theater.
-DT
Simply put, Hillary is unhinged right now.
She's done.
-DT
Turbinator for president!!!
mdawsz,
That's disappointing, but borderline clever.
What was with that fucked up Tim Russert question? Like, Barack's book title, "Audacity of Hope" came from some minister who once said Farakkhan was "great." So Russert asks if Obama's Jewish support will disappear because of it.
Seriously, talk about stretching to make a smear...
-DT
So many people in the msm have an agenda, it makes me want to vomit.
If Barack is so "open" and about change, why did he refuse to answer the question about only using public funds for campaigning? Sounded like he gave they typical political answer to me, which is talk around the question and not fully answer it.
He also stutters A LOT when he is unscripted - she is a better "on her feet" speaker, I think.
Strangely I like Hilary. But I think McCain is going to win which might be a good thing.
mdawsz,
Totally. Paul Begala on CNN is a joke.
Lisa and Wincity,
Well Hillary is nice, sure, but I think you better get used to Obamania if you're a democrat because she is DONE.
-DT
Which of you will dismantle NAFTA first....
Obammie: I can dismantle NAFTA in ... 7 months!
Shrillery: Mmmmfff.!..(slap slap slap, awakening her face from the botox lock) I can dismantle NAFTA in .... six months!
_____________
Seriously folks, these are some dangerous freaking retards on stage ....
DT,
unfortunately you're right, Obama is a freight train and there's no stopping him. People are sick and tired of Washington politics and I can agree with that frustration.
I guess we should get used to paying Social Security tax on the full income amount instead of the $97K cut off there is now. And oh yeah, 24% capital gains taxes, wonderful... I can just see the economy booming now. Can't Obama just raise taxes on people earning more than $300K instead? :)
Holy shit, for once I agree with the cryptofascist...
I reiterate my last prediction: The voting "Nader public" will abandon Nader this time. They will not let him spoil another election because they are too afraid of another round of the "Project for a New American Century" variety. I think even moderate Republicans will come over to Obama. I know it's impossible to believe....
The same freight train that is about to roll over Hillary is gonna roll over Ralph and John. And just about everyone I've talked to inside the beltway says privately that Nader and McCain will be fighting for their lives from the very beginning, but that the machine is already lining up some pretty tough stuff for Obama, too.
Someone said in an earlier post that Obama wasn't a corporate candidate. What a load of bollocks. He's just as corporate, if not more, and just as prone to gaming the system, if not more, than his counterparts. It didn't start in Washington, either. It started in Illinois. Nobody covers that, and very few cover his 60% attendance record during his last three years as a Senator. Gee, I wonder why? Obama is owned and the media has colluded in obfuscating this and other unsavory aspects of his ascendency. And his campaign team is much more savvy when it comes to race baiting, spinning and otherwise manufacturing false ideas of hope, unity, and reaching across party lines. (He's about as left and populist as they come. And strangely, he's a hawk on all things foreign policy...except Iraq. How convenient for him. But his statementes on Pakistan and Iran and Israel belie his manufactured image as a dovish multilateralist.)
I said Hillary was done two months ago on this blog...more than once. I've already predicted that Nader won't have a pot to piss in come general election time -- certainly not one big enough to split the democratic vote. They all know what is at stake -- another four years of war financed by more deficit spending, and all of that along with tax cuts. (!)
Here is my final prediction, for the last time (from an earlier comment): McCain loses to Obama. Period. He will self-destruct, as he has always done. He will appear strong in rhetoric at first, but at the end of the day he will be weak in his performance. He simply doesn't have the consistency of character, the stamina, or the momentum. And he isn't very handsome to look at, which is how about a third of the voting public chooses anyway. Oh, and he is gonna try to unify a party that is simply too divided these days. And he will look like a capricious little schoolgirl for it.
So, again, anyone want to make a bet on this last one? I already made back my losses from the previous week but I could use some extra cash.
Lonely Trader- "He simply doesn't have the consistency of character, the stamina"
2 years in solitary confinement in the Hanoi Hilton, yet you question his character and stamina...
Your comment's worth a good laugh.
LOL. Yeah, I'm aware of his past. But he is also a political animal. I wasn't commenting on his survival instincts or his heroism. His politics and his political tactics in teh last fifteen years is not what I question, it is what the Republican Party is questioning. And I'm not a shill for Obama, either.
This isn't the Vietnam War. He is now 71 years old. He'll be 72 in August. I think that he has had a little time to "grow" in the "interwar years", don't you?
Come on man. Do you show the same respect for Kerry? I highly doubt it and you'll cherrypick you're own reasons for not doing so.
So you want to take my bet Cheeseycheese?
The US has to choose between a black man and a woman. Who will get shot first?
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